sorry avon angler i didn't mean to be curt but thought it would give an insight into the previous debate. it used to be an issue with me but i only fish commercials in our club matches or practices sessions for them. my pleasure sessions are generally on canals and rivers..........use a net if you like and often get the place to yourself on natural venues and i wouldn't go near a commercial during summer holidays if peace and quiet is what your after.
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the carrot bites back 
ooh you are awful!!
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