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Old 22nd February 2009, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Until recently I hadn’t noticed the recession, it was just news stories of redundancies etc on the TV. Well it as finally caught up with the engineers at my factory 11 redundancies out of 30 engineers, shifts changing to what we don’t know pay and conditions changing also we haven’t a clue to what, so worrying times. Luckily i am not one of the redundancies but until the 30 day consultation period is over (consultation that’s a joke) we are all in limbo when it comes to planning things.

I get the feeling that companies are jumping on the band wagon to lower the wage bill because we are snowed under fixing break downs with the amount of engineers as it is, so when we drop 11 engineers of the shifts it is only going to get worse.

Is it affecting any one else and do you think companies are stream lining to make more money or to reduce losses.
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Old 22nd February 2009, 03:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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its a very sad state of affairs , when the honest working man does not know wether or not he or she has a stable job.
i myself would be stuffed, as is eveyone if i lost my job. i work in the optics trade and luckily enough, most people are still buying their specs.
i am sure companies stream line to make money, i just hope people are able to stick up 2 fingers to them when they need to hire them back....
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Old 22nd February 2009, 08:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I get the feeling that companies are jumping on the band wagon to lower the wage bill because we are snowed under fixing break downs with the amount of engineers as it is, so when we drop 11 engineers of the shifts it is only going to get worse.

Is it affecting any one else and do you think companies are stream lining to make more money or to reduce losses.
I think it's a conspiracy against the working class. The working class these days have far more than the working class of old BUT you'll note we're always held back by the people in power.
Age is a strange thing (not that I'm ancient or anything), at school I hated history but on visiting York a few weeks ago & actually taking time to look at 1000 yr old buildings etc I wanted to know a bit more about stuff so bought a book for £4.99 called the history of Britain.
What an eye opener, not a lot has changed in the way 'the peasants' are dealt with , first by Royalty but then by the real manipulators... the Politicians. One bit of info that sticks in my mind was during the time of the plague. Some who recovered or were immune were able to continue working, & earn a better living as a result. This was because they would risk working in the contaminated villages. The 'powers that be' didn't like this & introduced a law to limit how much the poor could earn ! Then because some of these poor were able to afford new clothes another law was introduced to prevvent the poor dressing like the weathly !

Anyway back to your opinion DNW, I also know people now being effected by it all but as I've already said I think it's some worldwide conspiracy by the rich to lower wages (as you say) & to get people working past 65 by freezing mortages & forcing them to work into their 70's to pay for their house (or worse, repossess & force people to start all over again).
My firm recently announced a pay freeze for 2009. The way they did it was to use the grapevine to spread rumours of an important announcement for a day or (that got everyone convinced they were being made redundant) then they gathered everyone together, dramamtised the build-up for 10 minutes & then dropped the news of the payfreeze. Very clever move as all anyone said is 'phew is that all'.

I still don't know where all the money has gone & I don't like how the problem has been dealt with. If you had a chicken factory & found a few hundred had been killed by foxes, wouldn't you first rid the factory of the foxes (& prevent re-entry) before re-stocking the hen house ?
Can't understand why the greedy b'stds who cause this were allowed to keep their jobs & then get rewarded by a bail out.

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theres an old saying mate "the rich will get get richer, the poor poorer"
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Well now we are going to start "quantitive easing" which basically involves the government printing money and using it to buy up bad debts and dodgy loans - so this is basically devaluing the pound further!

As for my main business being on the internet we have found we are getting more orders as people are shopping around looking for the best prices to save as much as possible.
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Not only are they being rewarded with a "bail out" but they are getting paid daft bonuses for "sorting" the whole mess out as well!
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I have worked for gkn in walsall for 21 years and have been on 3 days a week since december. Monday we were told that we were to go back on 4 days in march. Tuesday they told us our place was closing within 18 months. May have a very slim chance of relocating but to be honest I am still reeling by the news and not very optomistic. It has been a great place to work and I have made some great friends. A very sad day.
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My eldest grandson with all his qualifications couldn't get a job so he joined the army, so did about 10 of his mates, now the family is worried sick he may have to go to Afghanistan, what's happened to this once great country of ours ?
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Its full of the #### lowlife other countries dont wont, we have just let a known terrorist back in whos been locked up at watanemo camp, WHY send the ####### back to his own country
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We have gone full circle since the last recession, all the money finally reached the top of the wealth tree, only this time our wonderfull government has sold off its wealth, that was all our Gold, and as you would expect at a seriously low price,

So now the government prints more money as it has no assests to sell, and all to fill the banks with lending capitol, in an attempt to get the country moving, the problem is the banks have tightened the belts so tight there is no one worthy to lend to, its laughable because it will happen again once its all gone,

There is only one pot of money, printing more isnt the answer you only have to look at Zimbabwe, 231 million percent inflation, and the biggest contributing factor was printing more money, once the world economy gets wind that Brown and his croniues are printing it willy nilly the pound will devalue even further. but dont panic Labour will print some more.

This government couldnt run a P up in a brewery, it needs to get its priorities right,close all the loopholes, stop all the wastage, stop the massive bonus's and use the tax from the wealthy and start helping the needy, it wouldnt be a bad idea to close the border, and stop the handouts. its time to start looking after our own, we are currently being fleeced by every country going from national health to social security and there is nothing left for those that really need it.

The Queen should step in, I beleive she still has the power of vito, get rid of these morons,

Im not saying the cons or the liberals would be any better but the country needs to be run as a fine tuned business, we have some good business brains in this country, the muppets we currently have in power have more than proved there incompetence. we could do better under the raving loonies

This isnt a reccession bought about by the company onwers to get a smarter thinner workforce this is for real, depression is next those bosse's are just trying to stay afloat.

This recession was caused by greedy bankers trying to get rich on crazy lending schemes that couldnt fail long term, WRONG,

Im starting to feel the pinch now, this time last year I had 28 staff I now have 9 I have 4 months work in front of me (that was always 12) after that nothing and if something doesnt come in there will be 9 more on the dole, the 9 I have left are family and very loyal quality tradesmen who have been with me for years, its gonna hurt, but carry on as we are its inevitable.

The government should start by forcing the banks to pass on the bank of England base rate those banks that we the tax payer now own, that would create less risk for lenders and will get the house market moving again.

The government is still short by hundreds of thousands of homes, 200k were promised by 2010 they need to start now to get anywhere close to that target this will create thousands of jobs, put money in peoples pockets and open up a whole new mortgage industry, it will also take thousands of homeless of the streets with the current offordable housing legislation,

excess homes = a buyers market, that in turn makes house prices increase at a slower rate, or at worst stabilise, and that is what we need right now, fast house price rises = false economy which in turn leads to bust which we have now.

Right now we have the blind leading the blind

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