the tangler is back ! (ish) took on board all the advice off the site tried pellet waggler for hour and half 4-1 to the carp then went shallow on caster and winkled out 37lb 8oz of ide for 2nd. hooray. should of won it but had to stop fishing and sort out a disqualification issue when i returned fish had gone. close but no cigar. anyway a big thanks to all