You speak a lot of sense jc.

Have to say, i went for the rive many moons ago before they were as common as a ford fiesta

Got mine, as i had a milo tardis, but the groundbait bowl on the bottom jept falling off when carrying it and went to watch one of the festival matches on the erne and a guy i fished with had one, totally impressed, so have had mine since 2001.

Like they say, each to their own, i have never had a problem with the rive, and have found it nice and stable when sat out in the lake/river.