Is anyone interested in comparing the effectiveness of these two approaches to Pike rigs. After getting fed up with deep hooking with trebles (despite using instant strike rigs) I switched to singles near the end of last season. Didn't miss any runs nor bump any fish off but did lose one at the net as the hook had only just nicked the fish in the scissors. Am about to start this season's Piking and would be happy to use 2 rods one on each rig to compare their effectiveness. Would anyone else out there be willing to try the same on their waters so we can build up some reliable info.
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Singles Versus Trebles for Pike
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Originally posted by isismad View PostIs anyone interested in comparing the effectiveness of these two approaches to Pike rigs. After getting fed up with deep hooking with trebles (despite using instant strike rigs) I switched to singles near the end of last season. Didn't miss any runs nor bump any fish off but did lose one at the net as the hook had only just nicked the fish in the scissors. Am about to start this season's Piking and would be happy to use 2 rods one on each rig to compare their effectiveness. Would anyone else out there be willing to try the same on their waters so we can build up some reliable info.Take nothing but photographs,leave nothing but footprints.
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Originally posted by hurricane View PostTheres been plenty of debate on this subject,and at the end of the day its down to individual choice,but i would like you to explain why you think treble hooks were the cause of deep hooking,and how the use of singles would alieviate this problem.
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Firstly circle hooks are designed to take hold under steady pressure ie from a drag or baitrunner,secondly if you are getting more than 1 in fifty deep hooked pike, then i would say there is something wrong with your set up/bite detection or your procedures after bite indication,deep hooked fish should be avoided at all costs but they are not that difficult to deal with,by deep hooked are you talking both trebles out of sight down the "muck eye" or just not hooked in the scissors,The best way to avoid problems is an instant strike whatever hooks you are useing.Take nothing but photographs,leave nothing but footprints.
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Originally posted by hurricane View PostFirstly circle hooks are designed to take hold under steady pressure ie from a drag or baitrunner,secondly if you are getting more than 1 in fifty deep hooked pike, then i would say there is something wrong with your set up/bite detection or your procedures after bite indication,deep hooked fish should be avoided at all costs but they are not that difficult to deal with,by deep hooked are you talking both trebles out of sight down the "muck eye" or just not hooked in the scissors,The best way to avoid problems is an instant strike whatever hooks you are useing.
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I cant comment on the water concerned as ive not fished it,ive never expierienced a situation(other than after heavy prebaiting) where the majority of the fish swallow baits before moving any distance,but that doesent mean it dont happen,IMO deadbait pencil set up properly and watched is the ultimate in bite detection(deadbaits dont move)so if singles work better for you,thats all there is to it,a tip though, dont go too large if you are useing circles,there have been reports of them penetrating clean through on small cats.Take nothing but photographs,leave nothing but footprints.
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I don't see any disadvantages in using trebles. A friend deep hooked a jack on a large single hook a few weeks ago and that was a right pain to get out. Are you striking as soon as you have a run?[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/rover220coupeturbo/ta3.jpg[/IMG]
Effort = Success
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Unfortunately I've never fished for cats although my nephew has had a lot of success at Rockley. I have eaten them though from Lake Balaton. Have been using instant strike rigs since Jim Gibbinson wrote about them in the sixties but not had the deep hooking problem 'till I came to live in this part of the fens. Incidentally the Circle hooks I've used so far are Varivas size 4/0 and Gamakatsu 3/0 (which appears to be the same size)
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