Carp F1 / F2

[markco]

Hi Guys,
Can anybody tell me the differences between the above and the mirror / common / Crucian types of carp. We are having a bit of a debate about this and are looking for a definitive view.
I think that I have the correct differences but would like other views. If anyone can post pictures with the answers that we would great.
I would also like people to give thier views on them in a water that they fish and what effect they have had on other species especially silvers,Tench etc.
Thanks

Mark

[Ashfield Dave]

Hi Mark
A F1 is a cross between a Crucian Carp and a Common Carp, and i believe a F2 is a cross between a F1 and a Common and are all females, i'll try and find some pics.

[Pete M]

This is a F1

[Ashfield Dave]

This is a F1

Great picture that Pete.

[matt6900]

F2's are a strain of mirror carp, i dont think you can tell them apart from normal mirrors! they just grow much faster! and are more prone to diease when they are younger,

or so i was told?

[Pete M]

Great picture that Pete.

Cheers Dave,
It was caught from Kettles Lake at Elphick's Fishery last March.

It must be a decent picture as it has been nicked and lifted onto so many websites when F1's have been discussed.
Actually I don't mind though it would be nice if people asked if they could use it. I wouldn't refuse anyway as I've never refused anyone permission to use any of my photo's, but it would be nice to be asked once in a while.

[markco]

Thanks Pete,
That is a great picture and is just what I was looking for it has a deeper shape than a common without the barbules just as I thought.
Does anyone have any experiences with how they interact with other fish in the waters they are in. Do they take over and dominate everything else and are they fussy like Crucians when they feed.I have also heard that they can shoal up in certain pegs and ruin the water.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Mark

[scoucerman]

f2 are mirror carp look a like anbd f1 are comman carp look a like

[mat2092]

f1

i thought the f1 carp was a black colour?

[fishermans-friend]

Ive always thought F1's were small carp up to 2lb lol

[BAG UP]

Monk lakes in Kent had some F2's in they match lake 4 which where Common carp and not mirrors

[Andycarpcatcher]

Perhaps take a look at this link. AnglersWiki: F1 Carp
My understanding is that the first F1 hybrids were first generation hybrids between a male crucian and carp(originally it was a female mirror I believe)but perhaps now other carp may be used.
F2 is a second generation cross.

Hense F1 and F2 are genetic terms and don't relate directly to the species used but the generation of the genetic material.


......maybe!!

[jethro]

we've had f2s stocked in our water, what the supplier delivered were mirror carp with a yellowish belly colour, the only thing noticeable is the speed they grow, seems they've more than doubled in 12 months. I'm of the opinion they've affected the Rudd fishing, but I'm told it could be the floods last year.

[stemallo]

whats the difference between an f1 and a simmo

[stevelockett]

whats the difference between an f1 and a simmo

An F1 as many have replied is a hybrid of a crucian and a king carp (used as a generic term for common, mirror, leather).
Most of the 'Simmo' carp are dumpy mirrors bred at Broadlands Fishery by Mark Simmonds. They are usually very high shouldered and deep bellied with a smallish head often linear scaling. Loads of them in Stafford Moor around the 8lb mark, lovely!