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    fishing my club match the weekend and the chap in the next peg was fishing the pole and whilst using his pole he was feeding the island with his feeder is this classed as cheating as he has 2 lines in the water please help an voice your oppinions

  • #2
    Definatly is cheating in my book.

    Some clubs / fisheries allow you to feed with a pole cup whilst fishing other other lines, such as the feeder.

    Personally though even if the club/fishery allow you to feed with a cup whilst fishing another line i dont as i fish to NFA Match rules.

    You'll need to check your club rules though as they might allow it.
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    • #3
      Under NFA model match rules it would be classed as cheating, some clubs/waters however allow you to feed with a pole cup whilst on the feeder but I would suggest the other way round is a no no.

      www.polefloatsbyjasonelwell.co.uk

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      • #4
        Doh slow on the strike again.

        www.polefloatsbyjasonelwell.co.uk

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        • #5
          thats what i thought i know you can feed with a pole cup whilest fishing cuz ther isnt a line in the water and its just the same as balling it in

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          • #6
            Ask the question before your next match if the club fishes to NFA rules as even feeding with a cup is not allowed whilst another rod/pole is in the water nor is using a pole and cup to place your bait tight to a far bank feature, both are classed as using two rods.
            Many years ago we were not allowed to have two rods set up, odds on today where three top kits is considered a minimum.

            www.polefloatsbyjasonelwell.co.uk

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            • #7
              il do that cheers for your help

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              • #8
                my opinion is cheating.....even feeding with a pole while fishing the feeder is cheating all the rules needs amending they were written a long time ago ...can i use a bait boat while using my pole.... i think not feeding by hand and catapult is what i think should be allowed full stop
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                • #9
                  Cheating 100%

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                  • #10
                    i think the two lines rule covers it. but interesting arguement because he can fish the feeder and cup in on his pole line but not vice versa. trouble is some dodgy match anglers if allowed would abuse this by casting a baited hook as its difficult to monitor what everyone does due to natural cover. i personally favour catapult or by hand only. cupping whilst having a rig in should be stopped again you cant monitor it properly. biggest cheat i know used to leave huge landing net in on some stretches of the trent throw bait over it and leave it for gudgeon to come over then shrimp em !
                    the carrot bites back:D
                    ooh you are awful!!

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                    • #11
                      CHECK OUT RULE 32
                      NATIONAL FEDERATION OF ANGLERS



                      National Angling Championships Rules

                      Effective from 1st January 2006


                      1. The National Federation of Anglers (NFA) will organise National Championships each year. The elected Officers will appoint a Committee who will be responsible for supervising the arrangements.

                      2. The number of teams in the 1st and 2nd Divisions will be limited to 72 and the remaining Clubs and Associations in the NFA eligible to compete shall be formed into a further Division or Divisions.

                      3. Promotions and Relegation’s will operate throughout the Divisions on a 10 – up 10 – down basis, assuming a FULL ENTRY OF 72 TEAMS IN EACH DIVISION.
                      Should there be less than 72 Teams in any Division the number of Teams relegated will be varied downwards.
                      Any team not competing in its designated National Championships will normally be relegated ONLY one Division although this may vary depending on circumstances ( see Rule 51 ).

                      4. The Sections to be used in each National Championship will be closed for fishing to all competitors in that Championship from midnight on the Sunday previous.

                      5. The National Championships will be “pegged down” competitions, pegs to be preferably 20 yards (18 metres) apart, or more where practicable.

                      6. Member Clubs and Associations are entitled to enter more than one team consisting of 10 anglers in the Divisional National Championships. Also they may enter more than one team consisting of 6 anglers in the Cadets/Junior/Intermediate and more than one team consisting of 4 anglers in Ladies National Championships. Member Clubs and Associations shall not be entitled to compete with Teams consisting of less anglers than those referred to in this Rule unless prior written consent has been obtained.

                      7. In order to qualify to compete in the National Championships a Member Association/Club must have paid its subscription for the current year by the due date, plus they must have paid a £50 non-refundable deposit by 30th April. The Team Entry Form comprising up to 20 names plus the balance of the entry fee and any pools in respect of the first ten names on the Entry Form ONLY must be received at NFA Central Office no later than 4 weeks prior to a club’s respective National Championship. Failure to comply with this date will mean the Team being refused entry to the Championship.
                      N.B. All competitors taking part must be Individual Members of the NFA.

                      8. No person may fish for different teams on the same National Championship venue in successive years.

                      9. No person may compete in more than one Divisional Championship in the same year.

                      10. No person will be allowed to fish either of the Divisional or the Ladies’ National Championships if he/she is below the age of 16 on the day of the Championship.

                      11. 4 Anglers will be nominated in each section (i.e 2 in each half section) to act as Scalesmen. They will weigh in supervised by the Senior Stewards who will be Recorders. A 3rd angler in each half section will be nominated to stand guard over the tackle belonging to the anglers who are weighing in.

                      12. The Senior Stewards will have the right to examine all containers carried by competitors prior to the Championship at their pegs.



                      13. Stewards will do their utmost to prevent spectators approaching or interfering with the competitors.

                      However a maximum of 4 Bank Runners per Team are allowed who will be clearly identifiable. They may pass information to their own team members only. Bank runners may use mobile phones to contact each other but must not contact any of the competitors.

                      14 ALL Team Captains shall report to the Team Registration Steward prior to the Draw whether or not they have any changes to make. The number of changes a Captain can make at this time will be restricted to the number of anglers, over and above the first ten names, listed on the Team Entry Form. Where any such change is made the incoming angler MUST fish the drawn Section and peg of the angler he/she is replacing.

                      15. The Section and Peg Draws will be randomly generated at NFA Central Office prior to each respective Championship. There will be one member of each Team in each Section. This draw will produce combinations of Sections and Pegs into sets of 10, i.e. one set for each Team

                      16. A Team representative will draw a peg set on the day of the National Championship. Team members MUST fish the Section/Peg shown in the peg set as drawn for him/her. The Team representative will also be given 10 Peg Cards, which MUST be handed to the members of his/her Team BEFORE they leave HQ. This card must be handed, by the competitor, to the Senior Steward, at the weigh in, for him to record the competitor’s weight. The competitor must sign this card and retain it after his weight has been recorded in case of any dispute. (This is the competitor’s record of his weight)

                      17. No competitor will change his/her Section. Any angler who commences fishing at the wrong peg will be disqualified.

                      18. Competitors must plan to use private transport in every case to transfer from HQ to his/her Section and return. On occasions, however, it may be necessary to use official coach transport. Where this arises anglers MUST use the official transport to and from their section as designated.

                      19. Any angler may bring a caddy to help carry his/her tackle to his/her peg. However, if section coaches are being used caddies will not be allowed to travel on these coaches, unless their Angler is suffering from a physical disability and has a medical certificate. Consent must be obtained from the organiser on the morning of the Championship. Once at the peg no further assistance will be allowed.

                      20. No competitor will have live or dead fish in their possession before the Championship.

                      21. The signal to commence and cease fishing will be given by the Senior Section Steward in each Section.

                      22. The duration of the Championship will be 5 hours with the exception of the Cadets’ and Juniors’ Championships.

                      23. Before the starting signal no competitor must on any account groundbait or loose feed the swim but will be allowed to wet a line, plumb the depth and test the float, mix or wet groundbait, clear his/her fishing ground of weed or obstructions and position his/her equipment. On no account must a feeder be used prior to the starting signal.

                      24. A competitor may wade provided that the water does not extend above the knees, unless he/she can touch the bank with their fingertips, in which case the water can extend above the knees. When platforms are used the water must not come over the anglers knees when standing on river/lake bed.

                      25. Every competitor must fish from within one metre either side of his/her designated peg. On flowing water he/she will fish from their position in the direction of the flow as far as the next peg. On still waters he/she may fish as far as half the distance between his/her peg and the pegs on either side. Where competitors are drawn on opposite banks the limit of the swim will be the middle line between either bank. The competitor will restrict their activities completely to these boundaries, neither his/her person, tackle, bait, groundbait or hooked fish may intrude into his/hers neighbours swim.

                      In an extreme situation e.g. snagged tackle or a snagged fish, an angler must seek permission from his neighbour/neighbours before moving this from his/her designated peg to try and remedy the situation.




                      26. No competitor may leave his/her peg during the Championship other than to answer the call of nature. However in the event of an emergency and/or severe weather conditions, a competitor may leave their peg but only with the express permission of the Senior Section Steward. In such circumstances the Senior Steward may decide in the best interests of the competitors that fishing should be suspended. In the worst case fishing may be terminated by the Senior Steward upon an instruction from the NFA’s team of Championship adjudicators.

                      27. A competitor must not cause annoyance to, seek to interfere with another competitor or use mobile phones during the course of the Championship.

                      28. A competitor shall have in use one rod or pole, one line and single hook at one time, but may have other poles or rods and tackle assembled in a position behind them, if possible, providing no such other tackle is baited.

                      29. Any bait, subject to the local rules appertaining at the time of acceptance as a National Championship venue, may be used during the National Championships, except live or dead fish, spinning baits and artificial lures.

                      30. The use of electronic fish finders is forbidden.

                      31. No competitor shall present their baited hooks into their swim by any means other than the pole or rod to which the line is attached.

                      32. All feed may be thrown in by hand, or by the use of one or two handed catapults, throwing sticks, swim feeders, bait droppers, bait cups and bait shuttles, but no other mechanical means of projecting feed is allowed. No bait shall be introduced with a pole or bait dropper attached to an extra pole or rod whilst continuing to fish.

                      33. Competitors must strike, play and land their own fish from the confines of their own peg. (see Rule 25)

                      34. Competitors must retain all fish in a keepnet that complies with the relevant Environment Agency bylaws.

                      35. All fish caught are eligible for weighing except Game Fish, Pike, Zander and Crustaceans.

                      36. Competitors must, if practicable, keep all fish caught alive. If for any reason competitors cannot keep fish alive the Stewards shall have the power to weigh in during the Championship and return the fish alive to the water.

                      37. Competitors must cease fishing at the signal. Should a competitor still be playing a fish hooked before the signal is given, they will be permitted no more than 15 minutes after time has been called to land the fish.

                      38. All competitors will remain at their pegs until details of their catch have been recorded by the Steward, even if they have caught no fish, except for the purpose of clearing litter from their swims (as defined in Rules 25 and 26).

                      39. Competitors are responsible for ensuring their pegs are clear of litter and no competitor shall have their catch weighed in who has litter on the banks of their swim.

                      40. Both the competitor and Scales Steward MUST ensure that the correct procedure for transferring fish from a keepnet to weigh net is followed. After each competitor has been weighed in at their peg, it will be the duty of the Scales Steward to return all the fish to the water.

                      41. The individual weight of each competitor will be recorded to the nearest 10 grammes rounded up (Where 10Kg scales are used) and 20 grammes, rounded up (Where 20Kg scales are used).

                      42. Each competitor will be responsible for ensuring that the weight of his/her catch is correctly recorded by the Record Steward on the Weigh Sheet and on his Peg Card. He/she MUST sign both to that effect. The Peg Card MUST be kept safe in case of query.

                      43. After being weighed any dead fish are to be returned the National HQ by the Scales Steward and suitably disposed of.



                      44. Any fish about which the Stewards have any doubt must be brought before the Management Team and the competitors weight will not be confirmed until a ruling has been obtained. Even if Steward recommends the disqualification of a competitor they MUST weigh the fish in case their ruling is not upheld.

                      45. Any objections must be made in writing and lodged with a member of the Management Team or Senior Section Steward no later than one hour after the end of the Championship on the official form contained in the Record Stewards’ Book. Irregularities which are brought to notice at a later date may be dealt with only by and at the discretion of the National Executive.

                      46. The result of the team competitions in the National Championships shall be determined on a points system. The top weight in each Section shall receive the same number of points as there are teams entered, the second highest weight one point less etc. In the event of anglers failing to catch a fish, together with absent or disqualified anglers, they shall receive “no” points.

                      In the event of more than one competitor recording the same weight in the same Section, those competitors will receive equal points i.e. one point less than allocated to the previous highest weight in that Section. Therefore in a Championship of 72 Teams if 3 anglers in one Section tie for 6th place, all having equal weights, they would receive 67 points each with the 9th angler in that Section receiving 64 points and so on.

                      47. The holders of the trophies shall, upon presentation, be allowed time for photographs to be taken and then will be required to hand the trophy back to the Officials present. If the trophy is required for retention, the said trophy will only be released on production of an acceptable valid insurance policy giving adequate cover. Released trophies shall be returned in a clean and satisfactory condition to NFA Central Office not less than one month prior to the following years Championship. Non compliance will render the member Club/Association concerned liable to a fine commensurate with the cost of repair or replacement of the trophy.

                      48. All National Championships must conform to Environment Agency bylaws. Any competitor reported to the Resulting Team by the Environment Agency for being unable to produce a valid licence shall be deemed to be in contravention of the Rules and shall be disqualified. All pools, entry fees etc in respect of the said competitor shall be forfeited.

                      49. The use of lead, including any alloy or compound of lead, in the form of split shot or any other suitable items for weighting fishing lines is prohibited. The prohibition does not apply to weights of lead, alloy or compound of lead, of 0.06g or less or of more than 28.35g or to weights of lead, alloy or compound less than 28.35g if the said lead, alloy or compound is incorporated in the construction of swimfeeders or self cocking floats.

                      50. If in the opinion of the Event Management Team, any Team or Individual in breach of these Rules or is guilty of behaviour which is contrary to the best interests of the sport, or upon complaint being received by the Event Management Team that there has been an alleged breach of the rules, the Event Management Team shall make a decision on all available facts and that decision will be final and binding.

                      51. Any team or competitor proved to be in contravention of these rules will be disqualified.

                      52. Any team or individual angler deemed to be bringing the sport into disrepute will be severely dealt with by the Management Team.
                      Edition 2: 21.03.2006
                      National Federation of Anglers
                      National Water Sports Centre, Adbolton Lane,
                      Holme Pierrepont, Nottingham, NG12 2LU

                      Tel: 0115 981 3535
                      Last edited by polemaster; 13 June 2007, 08:49 PM.

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                      • #12
                        nuff said cupping whilst fishing is cheating cant wait for saturday to tell some of em
                        the carrot bites back:D
                        ooh you are awful!!

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                        • #13
                          Make sure your club fishes to NFA rules as it is not like the rules for football or cricket as many clubs do not fish to them and fish to what is often reffered to as local rules. It might just avoid you being labled as a trouble maker

                          www.polefloatsbyjasonelwell.co.uk

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                          • #14
                            biggest cheat i know used to leave huge landing net in on some stretches of the trent throw bait over it and leave it for gudgeon to come over then shrimp em !
                            think Ive fished against him

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                            • #15
                              This has to be classed as cheating

                              But it is no where near as bad as bloody Pole TAPPING. Rule 27
                              Last edited by Rive t; 13 June 2007, 10:53 PM.
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